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Ben Haskell's avatar

First 4 figures: "before and after" "below and above 60". What is the fabrication? Just a change in beginning and end dates, just an expansion of vertical scale, just a compression of horizontal scale!

I do see the problem with the vaccination rate. Either a fabrication or a big error in collecting accurate data. I saw tweets about this in September and October 2021 by @BoonehElad and others suggesting forgery.

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Galileo's avatar

You deserve better than that, my friend.

I will now link the wayback machine link.

By pointing at a date you can see the exact numbers.

Very big differences in the over 60. Smaller in the under 60.

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YYR's avatar

The bottom graph looks like Dominion's count of Trump's votes on election night suddenly dropping. Somehow.

The other graphs appear to me to represent the shot's waning effect over two different time periods, if I'm reading the bottom correctly. It doesn't look revisionist, but it does seem to underrepresent the true negativity of efficacy.

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Galileo's avatar

look carefully please, The numbers for the same dates have changed and the un-jabbed are suddenly doing better in the two groups.

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Ben Haskell's avatar

Rough estimates by eye:

First two figures (below 60 years of age):

Top, Feb 13, Vax aprox 380, Unvax & out-of-date are slightly lower but obscured

Bottom, Feb 12, Vax aprox 375, Unvax & out-of-date are slightly lower but obscured

Top, Mar 25, Vax aprox 180, Out-of-date aprox 100, Unvax aprox 80

Bottom, Mar 23, Vax aprox 200, Out-of-date aprox 140, Unvax aprox 75

In my view, these are nearly identical and the differences are mostly because (1) my eye is not more precise (I did not print and use a ruler), caused by (2) change in vertical scale, and caused by (3) a change in date by 1-2 days (I chose the ones with dots). In the USA, CDC data takes several weeks to stabilize (eg., see @EthicalSkeptic on Twitter, where he uses a 13 wk lag adjustment), and (4) I assume that Israel makes similar adjustments due to delayed reporting.

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Galileo's avatar

over 60 28.3.22

was:

No vax was: 191.8 now: 127

Old vax was: 107.8 now: 152

Vax was: 195.8 now: 198

Updates are all in the same direction and going back even more than 5 months.

Try the wayback machine and see

https://web.archive.org/web/20220428013918/https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

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Ben Haskell's avatar

Ok, I'm looking at the dashboard, both today's and on wayback.

Is this the correct graph: "מאומתים יומי - התחסנות"

Not knowing Hebrew, I experimented with the pull down menu and found options that that seem to be raw versus per 100K, age bracket, and range of dates covered. Is "מעל גיל 60" over 60? And is "עד גיל 60" below 60?

Anyway, the numbers that I see don't match yours. Below, I list the data from the display box targeting March 28, using data from the Wayback April 28th capture and today's (May 17th) Dashboard .

Per 100K

No vax: (above 60) was 181, now 90; (below 60) was 91, now 85

Old vax: (above 60) was 69, now 98; (below 60) was 115, now 123

Vax: (above 60) was 173, now 176; (below 60) was 187, now 183

Totals: (above 60) was 423, now 364; (below 60) was 393, now 391

Caveat: Be careful with the "totals" for the "per 100K" because the populations (denominators) are not equal.

Do Raw numbers tell us anything? Small revisions of absolute raw numbers, have drastic impacts on the relative per 100K rates:

No vax: (above 60) was 155, now 101; (below 60) was 2317, now 2290

Old vax: (above 60) was 56, now 67; (below 60) was 678, now 806

Vax: (above 60) was 2411, now 2397; (below 60) was 8399, now 8207

Totals:(above 60) was 2622, now 2565; (below 60) was11394,now11303

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Ben Haskell's avatar

I notice that there is no booster data here.

Thanks for the links. I did look at the Israel MOH dashboards before, but gave up because of language. I am glad that you gave me another chance to persist.

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Ben Haskell's avatar

Edit: I am embarrassed. Upon reading your responses to my comments, and rereading the text of your post, and looking at figures 3 and 4 once again, I see that while revisions for people under 60 are small, they are quite large for people above 60. Merely looking again by eye, March and April, in your Figure 3, Vax and Unvax are about equal. While in your Figure 4, the Unvax drop way below the Vax. I am now looking at your wayback machine links and trying to figure out the dashboard.

Edited edit: comments are getting out of order.

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Galileo's avatar

I added a better visual comparison for the over 60.

Sorry for the Hebrew there.

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Ben Haskell's avatar

I am attempting to send you a screenshot by e-mail. Aprox 565kb.

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Christian Wallgren's avatar

The Ministry of Health is unreliable.

Fortunately, the Ministry of Truth have now corrected their dangerous misinformation.

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